venting

[mewrei]

Ok so I'm seriously venting. This is going to sound angsty but I'm not being a normal teen.

I hate my family. Let me talk about my mother. She's a self-rightous, anti-computer whore who's lazy as fuck and wants the world to pity her because she has to do anything. She has the audacity to call me lazy.

My father, a know-it-all drunk. I spent 20 minutes arguing over if it's possible to run C++ on a computer. My dad wanted me to believe it behaved like a program when he didn't even know what an IDE was

[Ruby Mewtwo]

Oh holy Christ. I am having a problem with MY MOM! Why!? Because, when I told her that I said 10:30PM for I'll be on, but NOOOOOOO, she hogged the fucking thing for OVER A FUCKING HOUR and resulting of buddies like Mewthree not online!! It pisses me off that my mom hogs the computer like that. And within I am using the computer, she is bugging me of trivial bullshit like checking out sites like iCoke.ca to know what is what there. As if she check it out herself. Riiiiiiiiiight........... NOT ?_? Right now, I am in a very foul mood. X(

[mew2cool]

um, get your own computer. then you don't have to share it with anyone. that's what i did ;)

and my parents seem to think i can't do anything myself and seem to think they know what's "best for me" jesus christ, i'm not 10 anymore >_< i think i know what's best for me myself. i'm old enough to make my own choices. and one more thing: food. my mum keeps nagging me that i never eat "normal foods" that's because of the simple fact that she can't cook AND the thing that she always makes food that i don't like, even though i've told her 10 times before she even started making it. and then she says "you're going to eat it now, you're not doing anything else when there's food ready waiting for you." then i just say "fine, i won't eat anything then" and i don't. then she goes "fine, make your own foods from now on." and i go "with pleasure, at least i'll get something edible" but next time she just does the same thing. wtf is wrong with parents these days. my dad was like me at my age. and when i remind him about it, he just says "don't do what i do, do what i tell you to do" >_<;

hooray for control freak parents.

[Ruby Mewtwo]

Whoa, that is fucked up. Speaking of computers, I am having a DEVIL of a time saving money for the computer. My parents are realllllllllly stupid enough to mooch off me. Either they owe me back later, or not at all. So, I am having FUUUUUUUUN.... not. ?_? So, right now, I am a liiiiiittle miffed off due to that.

[mew2cool]

ouch. stop borrowing them money until they pay back. and could you please change the font colour on your sig? it's killing my eyes. read more about it in the "font colour" topic in the suggestion box and you'll know why @_<;;;

[Ruby Mewtwo]

I'll try that method, Cool. And BTW, the colour has been changed for the safety of your health, buddy. :)

[Orgun]

I don't have much to complain about over my parents, they respect me and give me privacy they don't even moan over how I don't have a g/f. The only prob I have is that my dad can be very aggressive, its been so bad that I've had to have the rest of the family hanging on to me to stop me from going upstairs and stabbing him with a knife to make him pay for what he's done to my mum. But thankfully its only happened once, we're pretty calm now.

[hakaryu]

Dads a total prick who does nothing but play online poker all day while smoking pot. Hate him with all my fucking heart because he treats me and my mom like shit while acting like he's the king of the fucking world when he's nothing but a Pothead piece of shit who can burn

[mewrei]

You'd think I'd be able to keep my computer since I bought most of the components in it. Nyuoooo, it uses my father's power. I'll pay for it damnit. It's only $.07 per kilowatt/hour and my computer uses 400W an hour.

[emsiecat]

I can't complain abut my parents they're supportive, have a laugh, mostly fun to be around, easy to talk to, protective and stick up for me and my bro if anything goes wrong (not that it does). Really only thing is my mum tends to nag a lot for me to do more round the house and get a job and find a b/f (I learn to tune it out, cept for the job part which she's right about) and dad can be a moody bugger sometimes, but he has good reason to be too, what with two jobs n stuff.

[Kiera Namir]

I can't really complain, other than about the occassional nagging of "Get a life already! ect., etc." and the fact that my parents do nothing but ground and scream at my idiot sister when what she really needs is a good slap in the face.

But yeah, other than that, life is good. =3

[Cheshire_kat24]

Man ya'll make me feel old...My mother was never realy there so that meant I had to get a job and take care of the bills myself, and my dad I haven't seen in over ten years.

But things are much better now! I've got me own house and stuff so life is good for once.

[mew2cool]

Originally posted by Ruby Mewtwo
I'll try that method, Cool. And BTW, the colour has been changed for the safety of your health, buddy. :)

thanks, i appreciate it, but dark purple on black BG still hurts my eyes. it's too dark yet still showing. if it was ligher tone it'd be ok.

[Ki]

Originally posted by mew2cool
Originally posted by Ruby Mewtwo
I'll try that method, Cool. And BTW, the colour has been changed for the safety of your health, buddy. :)

thanks, i appreciate it, but dark purple on black BG still hurts my eyes. it's too dark yet still showing. if it was ligher tone it'd be ok.


How about something to either make your eyes sore or please them ^^ *strips and flashes M2cool* Pretty cool huh? XD *then takes a knife and possitions it to either dissembowl myself or cut off favored organs* Muwahahahahahahaha You see RED NOW!!

As for parents go the only thing that bugs me is they're always asking me what I want to eat. Most of the time I'm not hungry but most American food I find lately is kinda boring.

[Razorirr]

my folks are ok most of the time but my dad can get in these anger snaps. never anything physical but he vents all of his anger by screaming at one of us.(usually me)

[The_Evil_Mewthree]

We all have our problems, but this pissing and moaning makes me wanna vomit. The End. :D

[mewrei]

Thanks guys. With the exception of TEM, you've all made me feel better. TEM, eww look at Cool not me XD

I've pretty much hid in video games today, that helped. Ahh my innocent years of pure video games started by Duke Nukem 3D

[mew2cool]

why look at me? ?_?

and for ki.....you scare me. XD

[Razorirr]

you atarted with duke nukum? bit advanced there for a start. my first game was tetris. thats the one game that my grandma could play really well. (well she was a god at atari pac man with my mom. they both had all the ghost patterns memorized.) we would play eachother and i would always lose to her. i wonder if she still has her gameboy.

[mewrei]

Me and my dad were at a computer show when I was about 4 and he picked it up for me. Actually, it might have been MechWarrior that was my induction into video games. One of the two. Both violent too. I have yet to kill anybody.

Simmer down Ki. I'd do something about it but Vio might get...will get pissed

[Ki]

Ahh just playing *pulls tosses the knife and it sticks in Mew2Cool* Ooh god sorry! let me get that for you ^^ See only playing ^^

[mew2cool]

?_?

this isn't the RP section, do you mind....

[Cheshire_kat24]

Picked up a Nintendo Power yesterday. Can't friggen wait for Metroid Hunters to finally come out! Thats the whole reason I bought the DS!

[The_Evil_Mewthree]

Not to get too far off topic, but the most recent Nintendo Power I own talks about Super Mario All-Stars for the SNES... XP

on a sidenote, didn't mean to not cheer you up or anything Mewrei... :)

[mewrei]

NINTENDO POWER!!! GAAHH!

It's amazing to be the only Mewtwo fan who has a strong disliking of Nintendo. I think they're pricks. I'm a Sony kinda guy.

[Violet]

Now what would I get mad about dear???


And may I also mind you I am not one for Nintendo as well.... I only am b/c of Matt.. XD you know that.

Ki... your a strange lil thing, and trust me it takes ALOT for me to say that.

[mew2cool]

Rei and violet...you're not the only ones who dislike nintendo. count me in.

[Razorirr]

me two. the star wars games were horrid and they could have made a mario rpg2!

[Galilee]

They did. They were called paper mario though i will admit they weren't as good as Mario RPG.

I my self am a PS2 fan

[mewrei]

I'm mailing this one freshman to Japan this summer so I might send my credit card with him so he can get me a PS3.

[Razorirr]

ohhh. i just blew one seventy on a tuba mouthpiece. well spent but i could have gotten a game cube.

should have thought of that.

[mew2cool]

you play tuba, raz? O_o;

i equally hate all consoles =) PC is _SO_ much better ^^

[Razorirr]

yes i play tuba. the onlly good consoles are my atari (cause of pong) and my super xbox.

[mew2cool]

heh i've never met anyone who plays tuba before. =)

[Razorirr]

i play coronet, trumpet, and both baritones too.

[mew2cool]

ah, cool. =)

[mewrei]

Console are good for the sole purpose of super hardware...cheap.

The Cell processor is a 3.2GHZ processor with 9 available "cores"(only the main PPC core will work on it's own, the other 8 SPEs need instruction sets to work). I don't think you can even get a 3.2GHz processor from anybody for the current cost of a Cell processor $230. That goes down to $60 when in production. Plus you get the RSX. For the price of 1 PS3, you only get 1 nVidia GeForce 7800GTX which is actually an inferior GPU compared to the RSX. Plus I hear tell that the PS3 runs Linux native.

XB360 likewise. 3 PPC based cores at 3.2GHZ each and a pretty damn powerful ATi GPU(I think it's based on the X1800).

[Razorirr]

whoo hoo! sony going linux. i like that one. dont give any credit to M$ and their xbox!

[mew2cool]

but xbox has the best games....from consoles that is.

[mewrei]

Nah you can't really say that. Half-Life is on PS2. So is the Metal Gear series. Most other good games are for all consoles. I don't really discriminate on games. When deciding which is the better console I go by system specs, in which the PS2 has the X-Box.

Xbox, Pentium III 32-bit 733MHz
PS2, proprietary 128-bit 400Mhz processor.

[mew2cool]

yeah...a STRIPPED HL2. and i din't really like metal gear games. they're more interesting to watch than play IMO XP

but if i had to take a console i'd take xbox cus i like some of the games, the controller is actually pretty comfortable (the PS controllers are pure torture to hands >_<) and xbox looks nicest =P

but i'll stick to my pc since it's easily upgradeable and you can do all the stuff consoles do and alot more. with the same price.

[Razorirr]

i go by the type of games they are going to make on it.

plus FF X-2 thousand words scene has blown anything that M$ has done on the xbox that ive seen to this day. they said they would have the better graphics but they lie.

now if only i could get the ps2 processor into my computer...

[RehcaerpM22]

This is so off the topic its almost criminal. :rolleyes:

[mewrei]

The PS2's processor is a Type-48 ISIA connector and is about 4 inches in diameter. I had to open one up in order to add liquid cooling to a PS2 30,000 series. They overheat to damn easy.

And Cool, your PC cannot keep up with things alot of consoles can do. The PS2 and Dreamcast had 128-bit processors. The XB360 has a tri-core PPC processor. The PS3 has a 9 core processor, each core has a 1024-bit using the same type of extended memory technology used in EM64T and AMD64, only a crapload more. Plus the Cell processor has a floating point performance of 200Gigaflops, far superior to anything pumped out even by AMD. Hell the Cell is even a competitor against the ultraSPARC T1.

Speaking of which, I want to get my hands on one of those 8 core 1.3GHZ ultraSPARC T1's.

[mew2cool]

well you don't really need all that processor power unless you do something very professional. therefore i still think pc is alot better. kthnx =)

[mewrei]

Actually, wrong again. Valve has a next-generation engine to power Half-Life 3. The problem is it doesn't run on modern PCs. This new Cell processor is IBMs wonder child which they intend to market over to the PC market. This Cell style processor will be the model for all next generation PC processors.

For any matter, you could also argue that a 3GHz processor is unnecessary. So is a dual core or 64-bit processor. You could also say that dual Geforces on SLi is unnecessary. See? It's not about whether it's necessary at current time, it's about preparing for the future.

[Ctrl Alt Del 123]

Originally posted by mewrei
Actually, wrong again. Valve has a next-generation engine to power Half-Life 3. The problem is it doesn't run on modern PCs. This new Cell processor is IBMs wonder child which they intend to market over to the PC market. This Cell style processor will be the model for all next generation PC processors.
Not going to happen. IBM is quite happy with consoles and high end servers. IBM isn't going to push their POWER architecture into the home consumer.

One reason is, there is no POWER derived architecture that can be put into notebooks. The POWER line is a power hungry (haha) heat power plant. Unless IBM has an energy efficient line in the works (and Apple made a mistake switching to x86), I doubt you'll see POWER replacing x86.

[mew2cool]

did you hit your head rei? of course i update my pc when i need it. if HL3 doesn't work on my pc when it comes out i'll update so it will. simple as that.

[mewrei]

Originally posted by Ctrl Alt Del 123
Originally posted by mewrei
Actually, wrong again. Valve has a next-generation engine to power Half-Life 3. The problem is it doesn't run on modern PCs. This new Cell processor is IBMs wonder child which they intend to market over to the PC market. This Cell style processor will be the model for all next generation PC processors.
Not going to happen. IBM is quite happy with consoles and high end servers. IBM isn't going to push their POWER architecture into the home consumer.

One reason is, there is no POWER derived architecture that can be put into notebooks. The POWER line is a power hungry (haha) heat power plant. Unless IBM has an energy efficient line in the works (and Apple made a mistake switching to x86), I doubt you'll see POWER replacing x86.
Read around CADdy. High end computing websites are really swooning over this Cell architecture. It's cheap, efficient, and powerful. The Cell actually doesn't use much power nor produce as much heat as the G5. IBM is wanting to push the Cell as far as possible which means it's going to impede on x86 grounds.

http://www.blachford.info/computer/Cell/Cell0_v2.html
http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/cpu/cell-1.ars
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_(microprocessor)

There's some reading for you.

And plus when did laptops start being a factor? I have yet to see an AMD FX-series processor in a laptop. They don't even have X2's outside of Alienware. The laptop market is being dominated by Centrino and Turion while the desktop/workstation market isn't under anyone's total control. AMD usurped Intel in that respect and it's like the war of factions between fans of the two companies. The Cell would be a seriou threat to either of the two microprocessors

Cool, you're saying that the consoles are crap when they are the ones leading us into the revolution of modern computing as far as innovation. Speed is Intel's fight but performance is gaming.

[mew2cool]

omfg, i like pcs more because they do more than just play games, music and movies. they're more practical. they can be easily modified and expanded according to your needs. i don't give a fuck how good they make a game look. there's more to life than games. but they're a good indicator when it's time to update your pc =) lol. i won't go all "oooooh" over some processor on console because consoles are impractical so i won't get one anyway. i'm done with this convo, there's no way you can change how i think about consoles.

[mewrei]

Jeez man. Someone needs a shot or two of dymerol or something. This conversation is on gaming and power.

[Razorirr]

rei ill believe it when i see you putting up either an AMD or and Intel link. the funny thing is with people, they come to like one thing or one brand and it takes forever to get them to switch away from it. like going from a vcr to a dvd player. the older generation hated it. why do you think that the united states is still on the crazy standard system even wehn anyone can do metric in their head.

[mew2cool]

lol, well, this topic isn't originally about computers at all XD;;

[Ctrl Alt Del 123]

Originally posted by mewrei
And plus when did laptops start being a factor?
Since laptops outsold desktops.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/06/04/financial/f082711D73.DTL&sn=001&sc=696
http://news.com.com/PC+milestone--notebooks+outsell+desktops/2100-1047_3-5731417.html
http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2005/06/06/uspc_laptop_sales/
http://www.engadget.com/2005/06/04/laptops-outsell-desktops-for-the-first-time-again/

Laptops are a crucial part of home consumer machines. When the numbers dance between 45% and 50%, laptops are just as important as desktops.

Originally posted by mewrei
Read around CADdy. High end computing websites are really swooning over this Cell architecture. It's cheap, efficient, and powerful. The Cell actually doesn't use much power nor produce as much heat as the G5. IBM is wanting to push the Cell as far as possible which means it's going to impede on x86 grounds.I know what Cell is. We've talked about Cell in my Computer Organizational class. Until you provide me evidence on IBM pushing Cell onto Microsoft, Dell, and other home consumer machines, I wont believe you. Microsoft already has tasted POWER, but if Windows doesn't run on it, no one wants it. I will believe Cell making strides in specialized markets (as x86 sucks anyplace that requires performance), but I doubt you're going to see Dell selling Cell based computers for a while.

[mewrei]

(as x86 sucks anyplace that requires performance)

Amen.

But if you're looking at laptops, why does the Cell even factor? I mean we don't have the AMD FX series or Intel Extreme Edition in laptops. You want to talk firestorms, those things are freaking spaceheaters. If you read the Wikipedia entry under Broadband Engine, it states that IBM intends to use the Cell in both high end and low end applications, making it very universal as far as processors go. Mercury Computing already has a very high end server out with a 2.8GHZ Cell in it(from what I hear. I haven't confirmed that yet).

IBM stating its wide use of Cell:
http://www-1.ibm.com/businesscenter/venturedevelopment/us/en/featurearticle/gcl_xmlid/8649/nav_id/emerging
http://domino.research.ibm.com/comm/research.nsf/pages/r.arch.innovation.html


Raz, what do you want from Intel and AMD? The lack on an FX in laptops and Centrino dominating the laptop market? Well that's not hard to see. Go to modern computer manufactorers and check out their laptops. Their medium to high end notebooks are guaranteed to have at least one Centrino model. I'm talking portable laptops not desktop replacement models. If you look at it, the Cell is quite an ingenious processor and I'm excited because it could quite possibly get us away from the x86 architecture which has been outdated since the late 80's.

And as a step towards the Cell direction, Dell and HP announced support for Blu-Ray rather than HD-ROM. Plus the contract with Intel and Dell expires soon so Dell might be starting to plug AMDs into their systems.

More reading:
http://www.engadget.com/2005/09/28/michael-dell-reaffirms-commitment-to-blu-ray/
http://www.techspot.com/news/10212-dell-and-hp-to-support-new-bluray-dvd-standard.html
http://www.physorg.com/news7028.html
http://www.physorg.com/news5874.html
http://www.realworldtech.com/page.cfm?ArticleID=RWT021005084318
http://www.cellsupercomputer.com/
http://cell-industries.com/cell_broadband_engine.php?osCsid=f50f72ad2320275c3 0b060677f6a9427
http://cell-industries.com/toshiba_announces.php?osCsid=f50f72ad2320275c30b06 0677f6a9427
http://www.techweb.com/wire/networking/179102015
http://www.mc.com/cell/index.cfm
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/business2/business2_archive/2005/06/01/8263444/index.htm

That should be some good stuff.

[Ctrl Alt Del 123]

Originally posted by mewrei
But if you're looking at laptops, why does the Cell even factor? I mean we don't have the AMD FX series or Intel Extreme Edition in laptops.
Laptops currently make up roughly 50% of the home user market. Maybe you're mixing in the business and server markets, I'm not including those. I'm talking about the $999 Dell PC you see on TV market.

If I write an OS, program, or software, that means there is a one in two chance that Joe or Jane will run my code on a portable computer. No, I haven't found an AMD FX in a laptop yet. But we do have AMD X2's in laptops (with SLI nVidia GeForce 7800GTX's).

My original issue was, if Cell replaces x86, then Cell will be in desktops AND in laptops. Cell can not currently exist in laptops. POWER consumes way too much electricity and gives off way too much heat. Look at the G5, it required watercooling to keep under temperature. Look at the Xbox 360, it consumes 185 W of power, that's more than the iMac Core Duo (which includes a 20 inch LCD monitor, radio antenna, optical drives, etc). Unless you can stick a Cell into a laptop that only draws about 35 W of power, x86 is here to stay.

And don't bother showing me links to "IBM concieves Cell to draw 2 W of power" because IT DOESN'T EXIST. I don't care what it says on paper, unless it physically exists, I don't give a shit. The Core Duo exists, and it draws 35 W of power.

[mewrei]

Well caddy, that's the beauty of Java. Why is it used? Platform independent programming, it runs on all computers regardless of hardware. The ToM chat room runs the same way on a Windows x86, OS X PowerPC, and Solaris ultraSPARC. You may not like it but your market may soon include programming for both x86 and POWER based. Proof? Well hell, Apple is doing it RIGHT NOW! Apple uses both the PowerPC AND Core Duo processors. Both are two completely different architectures. Ever seen the universal logo? That's just inside one company too.

Plus the X-Box 360 uses 3 POWER cores. The Cell has 1 plus 8 SPEs which aren't really a true processing core(lacking the ability to assign itself instructions). Divide 185W(which is total system consumption including the DVD and HD) and you have about 50W. Subtract the HD and DVD drives plus other system function, holy shit you have about 40W. That's 5 more watts than the Core Duo for the desktop model. If I were to guess, I'd say that the Cell draws about 55W of power for the desktop model. IBM could shave 20W in a heartbeat. I may not know from where but you can't underestimate IBM. They invented BluGene, FlexIO, and many other technologies.

I can't vouch for heat but the tri-core X-Box 360 is AIR cooled. It may be having problems with overheating(which was fixed mind you), but that's still more than Apple accomplished with the G5.

And you can't say Cell cannot exist in laptops currently. Well yes you can. Why? Because it isn't out yet. However, the Cell DOES physically exist. Go over to Mercury Computers. They're already dumping Cell processors into high end servers.

[Ctrl Alt Del 123]

Originally posted by mewrei
Well caddy, that's the beauty of Java. Why is it used? Platform independent programming, it runs on all computers regardless of hardware. The ToM chat room runs the same way on a Windows x86, OS X PowerPC, and Solaris ultraSPARC.Not quite. The Java JIT interpreter can be slightly different on different platforms. In addition, Java is horribly inefficient.

Originally posted by mewreiYou may not like it but your market may soon include programming for both x86 and POWER based. Proof? Well hell, Apple is doing it RIGHT NOW! Apple uses both the PowerPC AND Core Duo processors. Both are two completely different architectures. Ever seen the universal logo? That's just inside one company too.Your proof is incorrent. Apple has stated "Apple? announced plans to deliver models of its Macintosh? computers using Intel? microprocessors by this time next year, and to transition all of its Macs to using Intel microprocessors by the end of 2007." taken from here: http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2005/jun/06intel.html

Apple will be moving away from PowerPC and only use x86. No more PowerPC from Apple. Universal binaries is a way to support current PowerPC products until the end of their life span.

As for your arithmetic you used to justify the power consumption, I find it extremely flawed. You can not perform linear division across the three cores. Power consumption and heat dissipation do not sum linearly. The rest of your argument is invalid for this reason.

[mewrei]

Yes Caddy but that Universal binary construction is done RIGHT NOW. It's still being done. However, if Apple moves from it's G5 than they're going to take a hit from those of us who are fans of the power guzzling and high output dual-core G5 PowerMacs.

Did you know that the GameCube uses a PowerPC? It runs rather cool and without using a tremendous amount of power.

Despite Java being inefficient, it is still there AND used. Alot of people find Javascript to be a major security flaw and horribly inefficient. Does that mean that you turn it off? Well you loose AJAX extensions then. While it may be inefficient, so is x86, yet we still use it.

Just found an IBM Casestudy. And I quote "The key attributes of this concept are the following:

A high design frequency (small number of gates per cycle), allowing the processor to operate at a low voltage and low power while maintaining high frequency and high performance. "

In reference to the broadband engine on the Cell processor(which supports C/C++)

http://researchweb.watson.ibm.com/journal/rd/494/kahle.html

It's also said that there are special subrouteins within the processor that regulate the Cell to use little power. Again, I can't amount much to heat. I haven't found much on that issue.

[Ctrl Alt Del 123]

Originally posted by mewrei
Yes Caddy but that Universal binary construction is done RIGHT NOW. It's still being done. However, if Apple moves from it's G5 than they're going to take a hit from those of us who are fans of the power guzzling and high output dual-core G5 PowerMacs.I never said that I dislike the Dual-core (or Quad-core) G5's. Those are some of the best superscalar CPUs.

Originally posted by mewreiDid you know that the GameCube uses a PowerPC? It runs rather cool and without using a tremendous amount of power.Yes.

Originally posted by mewreiDespite Java being inefficient, it is still there AND used. Alot of people find Javascript to be a major security flaw and horribly inefficient. Does that mean that you turn it off? Well you loose AJAX extensions then. While it may be inefficient, so is x86, yet we still use it.When you write an OS entirely in Java, get back to me. x86 may suck compared to RISC, but it works and works good enough.

Originally posted by mewreiJust found an IBM Casestudy. And I quote "The key attributes of this concept are the following:

A high design frequency (small number of gates per cycle), allowing the processor to operate at a low voltage and low power while maintaining high frequency and high performance. "Anyone can say that. Ever heard of marketing? I want numbers, a benchmark, something real and substantial. You're talking about the same company that promised Apple the 3 GHz G5. That never happened. Wonder what this one will do.

I'm all for kicking out x86. It's a 30 year old architecture that has been revamped and revived more times than Michael Jacksons face. But it wont go away because of the amount of software for it, and how cheap it is.

[Razorirr]

ok mewrei. why dont you take this crazy theroy and then stick it with what ive found out is a not so crazy theory.(the google os thing). maybe then it will happen. or better yet everyone will switch to linux cause its free.

[mewrei]

If you look at this case study, it's not written by a marketing executive. It's written by James Kahle. He holds a B.S. degree from Rice university and is director of technology at STI(the Sony, Toshiba, and IBM alliances for Cell research). His work includes RISC based physical research.

Go looking around IBM's site. The Cell's website has a ton of information on it. It DOES exist physically and IS available right now. Mercury Computers has it in a high end server in which it runs at 2.8GHZ. A ~.4GHZ clock isn't much to have to speed up.

As for Operating Systems, the Cell processor has built in support for C/C++ and other programming models. This makes another great advantage of Cell. There isn't much need for assembly if you can write the operating system in a more powerful and more easily understood language.

As for hard numbers, try this page:
http://www-306.ibm.com/chips/techlib/techlib.nsf/products/Cell

It requires an IBM ID and might have the numbers. It might not, the registration system is down(see why I go nuts when something isn't working?)

And Raz you butt out. I'm trying to have a civil debate with CAD123. Text is impossible to convey tone over so I can't show that me and CAD would be talking normally over this issue.

And just because you think you have a A+ cert, that makes you more knowledgeable in computers than myself, you're wrong. A+ doesn't mean shit. The fact that you think that this is impossible just goes to prove that you have no immagination whatsoever nor do you know anything about how far some companys are willing to go. The Google Web OS IS a plausible and very capable thing. Just look at all of the Microsoft LIVE! projects and all of Google's projects. Its apparent and right in front of you. This theory isn't mine though. This theory comes from a profession IT magazine with editors who have been in the business since it was started.

[Razorirr]

Originally posted by mewrei

And Raz you butt out. I'm trying to have a civil debate with CAD123. Text is impossible to convey tone over so I can't show that me and CAD would be talking normally over this issue.

And just because you think you have a A+ cert, that makes you more knowledgeable in computers than myself, you're wrong. A+ doesn't mean shit. The fact that you think that this is impossible just goes to prove that you have no immagination whatsoever nor do you know anything about how far some companys are willing to go. The Google Web OS IS a plausible and very capable thing. Just look at all of the Microsoft LIVE! projects and all of Google's projects. Its apparent and right in front of you. This theory isn't mine though. This theory comes from a profession IT magazine with editors who have been in the business since it was started.

I know how to do reasearch Rei. ive actually taken a class on it. i looked up the Google OS and saw that it was totally and completely vialble. ive even had three different MSCEs tell me that its going to happen and one said that its already in development and that your seeing the beinning of it with Gmail. why would an MCSE, whos jobs depend on M$ to actually think (and a few of them want) this to happen why do you think i put this: "what ive found out is a not so crazy theory.(the google os thing)"

and i know that text cant convey tone. phrasing can and alot of this is very argumentative.

and dont chew me out like that.. im not even basing my opinions on this one from a technical point of view.

when it comes to technology it has to do with what the consumers want. these computers come out and i have a feeling that they will be exorbantly high priced just like every model whith new stuff just like when we got a 286 for 2300 dollars. or the desktop that we got that jumped 400 bucks to get a dual layer dvd burner.

i dont know about CAD but your thinking about this from a business standpoint. what will work for my business better. or at least you seem to be. most of us dont have that ability to be able to think like that. i have to think as the little guy.

now ive been doing my reasearch too. this time from talking to my tec teacher who runs a commercial consulting firm on the side and my econ teachers both from highschool and college. there is a policy that alot of firms do where they skip every other os to save on money. and they also unless completely nessicary will wait as long as possiable to upgrade anything. fiscal policy at this time is sort of on the top of everyones list.

now coming from that standpoint they could wait for the econ to rebound while working out how much of the stuff that you to keep saying they could improve.

less flaws to have to tell your consumers plus better econ where people are spending equals better sales of product. from both the little guy cause hes getting paid better and from the comm world couse the little guy is buyin and kicking up profits thus raising expense abilities.

but i guess my opinion is unsessary since its not highly technical so ill let you two argue about something that im betting wont happen in the home til at minimum 2008. even if the stuff is done early.

now im gonna blow out. im not wanted here.

[mewrei]

Current estimated Cell production costs, $230. This means they'll cost about $400-500 a pot. 2 years into production the PS3's version of Cell is said to cost only $60. This is another reason why I'm screaming Cell, it's cheap.

[Ctrl Alt Del 123]

Originally posted by mewrei
If you look at this case study, it's not written by a marketing executive. It's written by James Kahle. He holds a B.S. degree from Rice university and is director of technology at STI(the Sony, Toshiba, and IBM alliances for Cell research). His work includes RISC based physical research.But does his case study have any numbers to proove what he says? I didn't see any hard evidence that he uses to base his claims.

Originally posted by mewrei
Go looking around IBM's site. The Cell's website has a ton of information on it. It DOES exist physically and IS available right now. Mercury Computers has it in a high end server in which it runs at 2.8GHZ. A ~.4GHZ clock isn't much to have to speed up.Do you have numbers of this CPU from Mercury Computers? Do they list the power consumption and head dissipation? I can't find any information about this on the site: http://www.mc.com/products/view/index.cfm?id=30&type=systems

Originally posted by mewrei
As for Operating Systems, the Cell processor has built in support for C/C++ and other programming models. This makes another great advantage of Cell. There isn't much need for assembly if you can write the operating system in a more powerful and more easily understood language.
Unless the Cell is entirely different, C++ still has to be broken down into assembly instructions. If the Cell is a finite register based processing unit, there's a 99% chance it only speaks assembly. However, it sounds like it has a C++ interpreter built into it, where it decrypts C++ into assembly on the fly. That I can believe.

As for the URL, it asks for a UID and password that I don't have. The sign up looks to be working here, but I can't bother to sign up currently, still finishing exams.

[mewrei]

C/C++ language extension specification:
http://www-309.ibm.com/technologyconnect/tgcm/TGCMFileServlet.wss/SPU_language_extensions_2.1.pdf

A reference sheet with information on power consumption and heat generation of the Cell processor.
http://www-309.ibm.com/technologyconnect/tgcm/TGCMFileServlet.wss/ISSCC-20.3-Cell_Mult.pdf

It says that a 3.14GHZ Double precision Cell processor uses .9V of power and runs at 27C with a heatsink set at 12C

[Ctrl Alt Del 123]

Originally posted by mewrei
C/C++ language extension specification:
http://www-309.ibm.com/technologyconnect/tgcm/TGCMFileServlet.wss/SPU_language_extensions_2.1.pdf

A reference sheet with information on power consumption and heat generation of the Cell processor.
http://www-309.ibm.com/technologyconnect/tgcm/TGCMFileServlet.wss/ISSCC-20.3-Cell_Mult.pdf

It says that a 3.14GHZ Double precision Cell processor uses .9V of power and runs at 27C with a heatsink set at 12C
They both come up blank for me.

[mewrei]

I'll download them and upload them to my webspace tonight. You need an IBM ID to view them.

[mewrei]

These should work

http://www-306.ibm.com/chips/techlib/techlib.nsf/techdocs/CD03DF9DB5C3FB9187256FC000745CF1/$file/ISSCC-20.3-Cell_Mult.pdf

http://www-306.ibm.com/chips/techlib/techlib.nsf/techdocs/30B3520C93F437AB87257060006FFE5E/$file/SPU_language_extensions_2.1.pdf

[MewtwoMew]

Ahem, I thought this thread was about parents? :rolleyes: How the hell did we get off subject? ?( Btw, I used to have to share my time with my older brother on his computer until I got a computer of my own. I'm now using a newer computer (one that's about 3 years old) since my old computer kept crashing on me. I don't argue with anyone over the computer, because everybody has their own computer (my brother, my dad and I). Every now and then, Dad and I will get into arguments over all kinds of things, even idiotic things. Sometimes Dad will get upset with his job and I'll get upset whenever he gets upset, because I often feel like he's taking his anger out on me.

[Cheshire_kat24]

Yay! More techno-babble!

[MewtwoMew]

I was just mentioning the fact that my family has 3 working computers for the sole purpose that we all like using a computer, and nobody is willing to share. Having more than one computer means everybody gets to use his/her own computer whenever he/she pleases. Since I now have DSL, I can access AOL News on my computer while Dad accesses it on dialup on his computer, and we don't boot each other offline (even though we share the same AOL account-mine).

[Razorirr]

six computers. two for dad, two for me, one for brother, one for mom which is pretty much the family computer. the dialup is shared out through the family computer through a network. dont have to worry about people booting eachother unless that desktop gets turned off. then we all get booted.

[mew2cool]

i personally own 4 computers ATM. o.o plus the family pc and the one in the attic. total of 6 ^^

[Razorirr]

attic computer would never work here. our attic can hit 130 farignheight. bit tosty for a computer.

[MewtwoMew]

When there's no air conditioner in the kitchen (which is where I keep my computer), it gets 90 degrees F, or above. Now you don't have to be a rocket scientist (no pun intended) to figure out your computer won't run well in that kind of heat (not to mention the user). :rolleyes: When it's unbearable in the kitchen, I can imagine my computer doesn't like being in a warm room.

[mewrei]

Compy's aren't bad with that kind of heat. 140 degrees is comfortable for a comp. Now 200 is another story.

The thing that usually accompanies heat is moisture which computers hate with a passion

[Razorirr]

ohh! i was talking to my computer teacher and hes ran into a computer that was in a 140 degree greenhouse. the computer would overheat all the time. and it would get rained on when the sprinkelers for the plants would turn on.

the people that owned it couldnt figure out why it didnt work so well.

140 to 150 degrees with a humidity level of a constant 100% and random rainshowers. bad, bad i tell you.

[MewtwoMew]

Electricity and water DON'T MIX. I mean, DUH, the owners should've had better sense than to keep a computer in a greenhouse. X( Now where I live, the heat and humidity is pretty bad especially in the Summertime, which is why I run air conditioners.